Monday, May 30, 2005

Ends vs Means

greetings, gentle Readers...

so much has been written on BlogCritics as of late concerning some of the "battlefields" wherein the so-called Culture "War" has been taking place. most cite specific Issues they feel epitomize the Conflict and so they sally forth into the Fray, utilizing their Resources to set down their Arguments, on one side or another.

your humble Narrator has not been Idle in these Discussions, to the point of actually reading and evaluating as well as commenting on the Matters under debate. the Arguments that have ensued served to steer my Thoughts towards attempting to Determine the underlying Root Cause, or Conflict of prime Postulates, of these differences in Viewpoints.

Hypothesis: is the distinct Difference based upon the Juxtaposition of two diverging tenets in personal Philosophy?

the two Schools I detect are...

the Ends Justify the Means - to satisfy that the Goal sought is reached, any and all Tactics may be employed even if they Violate a prime Tenet of Ethics/Morals, any Breach is Reconciled under the excuse that it is in the Name of a "worthy cause"...henceforth referred to as E>M

the Means are an End in and of themselves - in this, the Tactics used to accomplish the Goal are just as important as the "worthy cause" itself...henceforth referred to as M=E

simplicity itself to easily ascertain where the innate Conflict between these Postulates derive.

perhaps a Parable will portray the Postulates properly?

two men exit different banks after procuring Funds to start their own widget manufacturers...each has very different Ideas and business Plans to achieve their Goal of "success"...for our Purposes, we will call them Mr.E and Mr.M

both rush off to share the good news and soon hire the Engineers to finalyze production design of their widgets, since Function delineates Form , they are widgets after all, the Designs come back almost identical. a Consultant for Cost Analysis is brought in by both men and each finds only a single place in the Design that would significantly alters Costs;the material and dimensions of the main stress bearing bracket.

Mr.E decides to use the much cheaper plastic material to contain Cost, even tho he is well Aware that it will mean the widget will "fail" much sooner..he decides that it will increase the Bottom Line by both cutting Costs as well as decreasing the lifecycle of his Product thus enabling greater sales quantity. his Goal is to achieve the highest possible Profit Margin in each of his Quarterly reports to maximize his own financial Gain by hopefully increasing the Price of his Stock when he goes Public.

Mr.M decides to go with the steel material for Quality purposes, believing that a better Quality Product will be crucial to the Goal of long term, sustainable Growth and Continuity for his Business, which to him contains Management, Employees and future Stockholders.

now comes the Production Consultants...both do their Work well, and Objectively outlines each Variable in the Process...leaving both CEO's with equal Information as well as similar Options.

Mr.E has no Concern for any Variable outside of his Goal for maximum quarterly Results...and so Incorporates offshore to shield himself from tax Costs, and outsources the Manufacture to a foreign Facility that will charge him minimally for Set Up Costs, and only $2 an hours for Labor (the Manufacuter only paying $2 a day for workers will make a sizable portion of his Profit from this disparity)

Mr.M decides to lease/purchase a Facility and Invest in the Workers and Machinery required to produce the high Quality widgets he wants to bring to Market. he chooses a site in an urban "enterprise zone" to have access to a work force as well as distribution networks for gathering required Resources and delivering the widgets, the good terms on the lease and the local tax incentives help initial Costs. both the Investment in machinery and the providing of decently paying Jobs spurs various sectors in both the Local economy and since Mr.M has decided to buy only from domestic producers of Resources, the National as well.

Marketing time...Mr.E chooses his Agency by their Reputation to saturate the Market with Brand Recognition and emphasis on low,low Prices...Mr.M finds a Local Agency that will maximize his Products Exposure, emphasizing the Quality of "the best built Widgets, made in America by Americans"

the Products are released, widget-mania strikes!
everyone wants a widget and the early Results have Mr.E with 60% Market share due to his Price advantage and blanket Marketing...Mr.M has 40% and considers that a solid base of very satisfied Customers who are quite Loyal to his Brand due to the higher Quality

both Companys decide it is time to go Public and prepare for their IPO in the Stock Market
as the Day comes the Market share has chaged to 55% for "E" and 45% for "M"
due to a slight increase of Customers choosing to "buy American" and/or deciding on Quality from either the Marketing or word of mouth influences.
Mr.E has worked ceaselessly for this Day, his entire Business Plan was geared towards maximiznig what he would make from this IPO and his own personal stock in the Market to come...he hires an Accounting firm to make the Books look as good as possible, stretching the Rules as far as possible to maximize the Bottom Line for the quarter...towards this Mr.E has spent some of the "windfall" from initial Profits to shore up the "numbers" as well as written the IPO in his own favor adding in a lucrative "Golden Parachute"...the Corporate Model coming from the supply side, "trickle" down", school of Economics

Mr.M has hired an outside Firm to audit his own Books to confirm their accuracy and to Certify that the results show a sustainable business Model with a very Respectable profit/cost ratio...the Corporate Model being the demand side, "rising tide lifts all boats", school of Economics...Workers and Management both share in the success of the Business.

end of IPO day has Mr.E with a significantly higher price for his Stocks, the Bulls just went chargnig after it, and Mr.E scored a fortune...Mr.M did well enough to celebrate and starts his Day with a Company wide annoucement showing just how much each of them made from their own Stocks and what this influx of Capital will do to help the Company continue to prosper

some time later and Mr.E's widgets start to break while the higher Quality of Mr. M's last twice as long before needing replacement...now many Customers begin figuring out that the 10% higher price is well worth the double effective use

"M"'s Market share increases to 55% and the Stock rises steadily accordingly, he shares the increased Income among the Employees, setting aside what is predicted to be needed for the future, and keeping a modest percentage for himself

"E"'s Share drops to 45%, his Stock drops to indicate the change, Mr.E has decided he is hitting the point of diminishing returns and brokers a deal to sell his Company to a major Retailer who plans on discarding much of the internal Company personnel and assets to be replaced by Corporate Management and Oversite...Mr.E grabs everything he can get and bails out on his Parachute of Gold...his Goal has been accomplished, his employees will be seeking Work and now his widgets will be made as a Commodity only by a Structure that cares not whether it makes widgets or washing machines as long as the Bottom Line Expectations are met.

thus Endeth the Lesson

which widget would you buy and why?
which Company would you rather work for?
these Questions and others raised beg for contemplation

and i had Thought it might be nice to share on this day we give Memorial to those that have Fallen endeavoring to live up to their Oath "to serve and uphold the Constitution of the United States"

one of the points of Conflict in this "cultural clash" can be easily determined to be stemming from the schism between those that follow E>M and those that adhere to M=E

that's just my one sixth billionths of the world's Opinion...

what's yours?

Excelsior!


73 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damn, is 'bout time. So now I get to add you to my blogroll, cause I know the stuffs grade A. But please, please please, rethink the white on black. Being versed in advertising I know it's tempting, but it THE HARDEST TO READ. Ow my fucking eyeholes!

Cheers!

Bennett

9:25 PM  
Blogger gonzo marx said...

heh...

thank Bennet,

glad ya stopped by...

and is "ivory" on black..i LIKE it!

so there....{8^P~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

have Fun

Excelsior!

8:00 PM  
Anonymous Mark Schannon said...

Ah, Gonzo, old salt, were it only that simple. In a society where not only goods but people are disposable, where citizens have the memory capacity of gnats (and I don't mean to insult gnats), I fear that your Mr. E (or Mr. M, whoever is the good guy) could easily lose out.

In my heart I'm with you...but methinks you have too high opinion of our fellow humans.

In Media Raymond

11:10 PM  
Blogger A Noisy Fate... said...

Ah, let the Bloggery begin!
Joe, we're coming to play heavy metal with you soon, and what better kind of experience to dispel the illusions of repeatable, quantifiable, consumable life?

12:49 PM  
Blogger Dave Nalle said...

Gonzo, I plan to add you to my blogroll too, but refuse to do it until you find a way to turn off centering on all your posts.

Dave

2:49 PM  
Blogger gonzo marx said...

i know the Way..

but i like my Words being "centered"

puns abound

i do have to write more stuff here, but i am much more the Conversationalist than a monologue type

ah well...

Excelsior!

5:38 PM  
Blogger DrPat said...

Gee, gonzo, your distinction between E>M and M=E is more like "Marijuana: Threat or Menace?"

There is always a desired End. The fray results from disputes over Means - since none of us is prescient, we can only base our choices on our judgement of which means will suffice to acquire the desired ends.

"The ends justify the means" is a rationalization for inappropriate, criminal, even evil, means. Robbing Peter to pay Paul "because Paul needs it more than Peter" is a truer example of E>M.

"The means are an end in themselves" is a fallacy of a different order. A truer example of what you call M=E would be killing 'gators: "When you're up to your ass in alligators, it's hard to remember your original objective was to drain the swamp."

-------------------

I like your centered cream-on-dark-green format. [grin]

4:46 PM  
Blogger gonzo marx said...

heyas DrPat,

thanx for coming by...

i guess i just stink at explaining myself sometimes...

howabout this?

E>M...you got it just right, justification for any behaviour because it's for a "good cause"...like the Inquisition

M=E...what i am trying to say here is that, to me, how you do something is just as important as why you do it

example...2 poor men need to feed their kids (the End)

E>M states he could rob, or swindle the cash...or even steal the food

M=E sez he would take as much work as eh could , going so far as to damage himself if needed, to get the food

hope that helps

Excelsior!

5:58 PM  
Blogger DrPat said...

Perhaps the encapsulating statement for M=E is closer to what you just said: how you do something is just as important as why you do it.

Style counts, in other words.

BTW, Mark Schannon now has called dibs on "Excelsior!" on BC, seeing as how you appear to've departed.

Only problem is, he can't spell it!

12:15 PM  
Anonymous JuJu Wannabe said...

Dudo,

Here's a toast to the hope that you decide to pop in now and again.

Your BC fanbase would have it so.

Bennett

2:44 PM  
Blogger gonzo marx said...

thanx Bennet,

but this Jester only operates under Free Speech...when a senior Editor tells me to shut up...i'm gone....just like i had always said from the beginning.

no such thing as mostly Free

i'll stop in to read, but you won't see my name commenting anymore, i do apologize to those that enjoy my ramblings, and i did enjoy most of my time there

what else can i do? i was following the Rules as laid out, i didn't violate shit on that Thread

now what i mean?

Excelsior!

8:59 PM  
Anonymous Bennett said...

Yeah, But Temple is a youngster. EO admits his hot headedness, so what do you do?

He was in a reactionary, and probably semi-intox frame of mind. As we all may be in late at night.

Babies and bathwater and all that.

I'm not one to ignore that integrity is formost. But if your input would help others understand the meat of the matter, on any given subject, at any time in the months ahead, I say "the Jester has a duty".

Best to you and yours.

Bennett

12:03 AM  
Blogger gonzo marx said...

thanx for the thoughts and kind Words, Bennett...

but Temple IS a senior editor, he did tell me to shut up publicly, and i have stated on more than one occasion that when senior staff tells me that, i am gone cuz i don't do censorship...

i am also betting that he was a bit on tilt that night, due to the whole AG and CR thing..but as Spider Man always said *with great power comes great responsibility*

add to that the original Post being eviscerated, and the whole thread being closed

with rare exceptions such as yourself, Mark Schannon, and probably Mr Nalle (cuz i been such a pain in his ass)..i am certain that i will be forgotten around BC in about a week, tops

i know that leaves the site to the non-existant mercies of folks like RJ, Randy Kirk and John Bambeneck

it's be up to you and Shark and the like to call them on their bullshit

all the best to you and yours

nuff said?

Excelsior!

12:58 AM  
Anonymous Bennett said...

Yeah, nuff said. Sucks though.

If you find a forum that is worthy of contribution, drop a note here.

I'll be missin' the banter something serious.

Salut!

7:51 AM  
Anonymous Bennett said...

...and for what it's worth, I thought the Howard Cosell blow-by-blow was funnier than shit.

I just can't help thinking that you're tossing the baby out over this meaningless and unintended affair.

...and he said "shut it", not "shut up".

The evisceration was really a liability thing.

Sorry, had to get those things off my chest.

7:58 AM  
Blogger gonzo marx said...

no worries Bennett, it's all good and it's all done...

like i said, in a week, none but a few will even remember me...

ephemera

Excelsior!

10:52 PM  
Anonymous Bennett said...

Cool man. Keep sending your students, though. Though them, JuJu will always be present.

Remember my name, if you and the better half are ever touring noVT, drop in for a good beer or two. I'd insist if it would do any good...

:-]

Peace out!

9:25 AM  
Anonymous bennett said...

Rather,

:::::::Bows, hand over fist:::::::

10:23 PM  
Blogger gonzo marx said...

no worries Bennett, how coudl i forget one of the few folks that ever out geeked me when it comes to the Space program?

and i still read BC once a day, i have to click away tho, i just want to jump in and verbally smack soem of these folks around...

seems liek they think they can get away with a lot snice i am not there...

but confused, Maynard, Tao and Pilgrim can be a handful...

heh

..:::bows, hand over fisy in return with a grin:::..

Excelsior!

11:36 PM  
Anonymous bennett said...

Heh, they seem like good folks.

btw, if (bog forbid)an ominous cloud ever starts rolling up the coast from NYC, don't think, grab the posse.

Fairfield = Zihuatanejo

..::returns grin::..

12:27 PM  
Blogger gonzo marx said...

i am way Honored by the Invite, Bennett

no matter what, i may just have to break out of my personal isolation , take some vacation days, and drive out to see you and yours.

kind words, and like a nice olde Don said " don't forget how to return a favor"

nuff said?

12:56 AM  
Anonymous bennett said...

It was a selfish thought, but I stand by it. Neither of us expect the thin vaneer to wear away in our lifetime, but if it does it's better to have folks around that are good shots, and deep thinkers.

===============================

Gad, plan a trip to Montreal with your wife, and count on a barbeque on the way up, back, or both.

I've been threatening to go on a vacation with my wife to the coast of Maine, never been. If we get it together for that I'll expect some recomendations for destination and all.

=================================

Tao Jonez cracks me up. He's a good addition to the scene. Maynard is highly capable as well, glad you sent 'em into the fray.

What, do you teach a martial art?

7:56 PM  
Blogger gonzo marx said...

used to Bennett, a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away

this broken down carcass is way to olde, fat and feeble anymore

2:35 AM  
Anonymous grasshopper said...

hey, did you catch the spanking I took from Keith Cowing, he of NASA Watch and SpaceRef?

Ouch.

Called him up, ended up getting an interview after the shuttle launches. :)

1:50 PM  
Anonymous bennett said...

Hey, that last one was from me.

4:03 PM  
Blogger gonzo marx said...

yeah, i saw the bit from him...a bit of an overreaction IMO...

sry for being so late getting back to this with you, o fcourse i realized who it was...silly

still waiting for both the launch, and an apology from Temple, which ain't never gonna happen, lol, so i guess no mnore BC for this Jester...

all good, more free time for me!!!

i really haven't been writing sine the incident, doing some gaming, and whenever i do read BC it just appals me at the outright facist bullshoit spewed all over by some folks...

note their swarm tactics since i left, without somebody to stand up to them and call them on their bullshit they are just taking over

ah well..e-mail me if/when ya like, just underscore between my first and last name, @hotmail.com

this way i got yer e-mail addy and we can converse a bit more privately at times

glad my disciples have been keeping you amused, i think they are all done there now...not their cup of tea, as it were..

shout as ya like bro'...i'll always listen

12:14 PM  
Anonymous Margaret Romao Toigo said...

I stopped over at Blogcritics and your absence there was quite noticeable.

4:05 PM  
Blogger gonzo marx said...

thank you for the kind Words, Margaret.

they mean more to me than you might know, yours is one of the few Voices that hold my Respect.

and your Thoughts on my commentary, that there is an article there, pr perhaps a book, were most flattering...i have never considered myself any kind of writer...a Conversationalist at best

much to ponder...and most warming to know my silly screed have been missed

Excelsior!

2:44 AM  
Blogger Florisv said...

Its a good parrable, and you have a geat style of writting. I can learn a thing or two form that.

I'd go for the good widgets if I want them to last, and for the cheap less good widgets if I would want to try something out. But I'd prefer to work for the second company.

Could it be that it is neither of both : The ends justify the means or The means are an end in themselves ?

Don't worry to much about the censorship. It is a good title for a post on blogcritics. Perhaps that a post written by several people about censorship and its consequences and how censorship is against the one rule out of the Us constitution, freedom of speech, would open somebody's eyes ?

The worst that could happen is that the person who writes it gets told to shut up as well, or worse, which would indicate that the person who tells/writes that has a problem. Perhaps it would be better if other people who want to could add pieces anounmesly, so that if there is a negative reaction to the piece they do not suffer of it as well.

If anyone is intrested then best send a mail to dachtendenker@gmail.com. And If you want a gmail acount, I still have some invitations left.

I like your comments. They are always welcome. They are fun to read.

11:29 AM  
Anonymous Margaret Romao Toigo said...

When I go to Blogcritics looking for something to read and/or talk about, I look for certain names on the front page and the "Hot Topics" sidebar and yours is one of those names.

You have a unique stream-of-consciousness style of writing, but the logic contained therein is clear and precise, which not only makes for a good read, but a good think as well.

I am also more of a conversationalist than I am a writer. Sure, I can write fairly competent articles, but my best writing is always in my comments because the ideas flow more freely outside of the vacuum of a screen that doesn't talk back. Or maybe it is simply a matter of my being more of a thinker than I am a doer.

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4:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what a bunch of shit! For someone who claims they aren't a writer, you sure post a lot of inconsequential bullshit. You "have nots" make me laugh. Why not direct more energy into becoming a "have" and stop worrying about people who have more power than you do? You are truly powerless and inept. These jerkoff blogs are one the worst adjuncts of the internet craze. You are just one voice in a million saying the same fucking thing. Corporation suck, Bush sucks, yadda yadda yadda.

11:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And what is the deal with capitalizing random nouns? Do you think that's some hip and trendy style? Try coming up with something that isn't derivative of something else you've read, especially your posting handle. A Hunter Thompson/Karl Marx hybrid, WOW! Don't tell me Groucho Marx, either, it would be an insult to his memory.
This anti-corporate populism isn't new. I'll bet you don't make more than 40-50 grand per year, right? You low paid grunts all sound alike. You can't figure out how to make more money in life so you attack those that make LOTS of money.

And guess what, sparky, there are no ethics. It's survival of the fittest. I guess you missed that life lesson somewhere.

11:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Or maybe it is simply a matter of my being more of a thinker than I am a doer.

If you were truly a thinker, MRT, you wouldn't write that leftist friendly bullshit. You'd write from a conservative perspective instead.
"Thinking" and "liberalism" do not match, because you cannot truly think with your heart.

11:30 AM  
Blogger gonzo marx said...

soOOOOoo much Fun here...

first..it IS groucho...

second..you might note that i do NOT attack business, per se, what i am speaking about are ethical practices

but obviously that means nothing to you

as for calling Margaret a "liberal" you should go and look up those big words before ya use them...or even scope her blog yourself

because obviously you have no fucking clue what you are talking about...

libertarian capitalist is a much more accurate description of her political stance...and even that can be considered superficial...

so just go on back to watching Fox and keep yer little dittohead self happy, cuz ya got no juice in the thinking department

nuff said?

Excelsior!

12:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Liberals like MRT called for the exoneration of an illegal drug dealer. She wrote a blog on it, you can look it up. Only liberals care about the lives of illegal drug dealers. Personally, I would put them to death like most other criminal scum. That would take care of the prison overcrowding problem pronto.

10:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

libertarian capitalist?

You are either a conservative or a leftist, the rest is bullshit to make one seem like they are neutral and non-partisan as not to offend anyone. Margaret is a stupid bitch, btw, who really has no fucking clue.

Libertarians are people who can't decide which side of the fence to stand, so they ride it instead because heaven forbid they should appear unilateral.

because obviously you have no fucking clue what you are talking about...

And you say whatever will gain favor with your jerkoff leftist friends from blogcritics.org that you try so hard to impress. I'll bet it just makes your day when one of them praises that whining populist horseshit you write.

To have to live for the joy of recognition from strangers IS strange.

11:04 PM  
Blogger gonzo marx said...

silly little hater..

i refuse and refute the simplistic binary Categorizations you espouse..

"there is far more on Heaven and Earth..." as the Bard said

as for your assertion that i compose my mad keyboard pecking for anything other than my own Amusement...you show that you truly do not have any kind of fucking clue and all you are able to do is project your own woeful inadequacies

as for your insulting Margaret...again, your Ignorance is showing..try reading her blog...i know you will need a dictionary to comprehend it...but it might teach you something

Excelsior!

12:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

silly little hater..

Right back at ya, pal. You hate anyone with more material wealth than you, especially if they run a corporation.

If you are impressed by MRT's leftist in disguise ruse then you are too easily impressed and too easily duped.

I don't need a dictionary to understand that a person like MRT who defends a convicted drug dealer is a fucking moron.

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There’s a ton of information on goal setting on just “normal” bloggers blogs that is very useful in my research and I hope to add more free information to my web site with the tidbits I find in blogs, and am writing another eBook with input from bloggers based on the research I’m doing just by blog surfing.

You’d be surprised at the depth of information out there from people who are not selling or marketing anything remotely regarding goal setting theory and goal setting.

Have a great day! And thanks again for the "nugget"!

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I’m about to make you think.

It might be painful.

Have you done anything earth shattering lately?

Read anything that really sets your mind on fire with a passion to do good?

How about doing something important for yourself?

Have you?

Do you know without a doubt where you will be living a few years from now, what you will be doing, how big your bank account will be?

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One person I left a “nugget” with went on to write a book he’d always wanted to write, another decided to change careers and one who bought my goal setting book is on his way to achieving greatness in the medical industry.

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This crystallizes your goals and gives them more force.

In writing your goals down, you are better able to keep up with your scheduled tasks for each accomplishment. It also helps you to remember each task that needs to be done and allows you to check them off as they are accomplished.

Basically, you can better keep track of what you are doing so as not to repeat yourself unnecessarily.

Keep Operational Goals small

Keep the low-level goals you are working towards small and easy to achieve. If a goal is too large, then it can seem that you are not making progress towards it.

Keeping goals small and incremental allows you more opportunities for reward. Derive today's goals from larger ones. It is a great way to accomplish your goals.

Set Performance Goals, not outcome goals

You should take care to set goals over which you have as much control as possible.

There is nothing more dispiriting than failing to achieve a personal goal for reasons that are beyond your control.

These could be bad business environments, poor judging, bad weather, injury, or just plain bad luck. If you base your goals on personal your performance, then you can keep control over the achievement of your goals and get satisfaction from achieving them.

Set Realistic Goals

It is important to set goals that you can achieve.

All sorts of people (parents, media, and society) can set unrealistic goals for you which is almost a guarantee of failure. They will often do this in ignorance of your own desires and ambitions or flat out disinterest.

Alternatively you may be naive in setting very high goals. You might not appreciate either the obstacles in the way, or understand quite how many skills you must master to achieve a particular level of performance.

By being realistic you are increasing your chances of success.

Do not set goals to low

Just as it is important not to set goals unrealistically high; do not set them too low. People tend to do this where they are afraid of failure or where they simply don’t want to do anything.

You should set goals so that they are slightly out of your immediate grasp, but not so far that there is no hope of achieving them. No one will put serious effort into achieving a goal that they believe is unattainable.

However, remember that your belief that a goal is unrealistic may be incorrect. If this could be the case, you can to change this belief by using imagery effectively.

Good Luck and Happy Goal Setting!

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